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Aurora movie theater shooting day 44: Schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur returns to the stand
Day 44 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur will continue to testify.During the course of the trial, prosecutors will argue that Holmes, the admitted gunman, was sane when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70. His defense attorneys will try to spare Holmes’ life by arguing that he was insane. 7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com will have gavel to gavel coverage of the trial starting at 8:15 a.m. (MST) everyday and ending around 5:30 p.m. (MST) Watch new live video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/7NewsDenv... Additional resources:LIVE VIDEO & BLOG: http://bit.ly/theatertrialTIMELINE of the case: http://bit.ly/theatertimelineJURY PROFILE: http://bit.ly/theaterjury CONTINUING COVERAGE: http://bit.ly/theatercoverage
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The gunman's parents noted he had difficulty calling other kids to invite them to interact - she practice with him - "like a dry run." - Quote
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Dr. Gur said the first time the gunman took harmful actions was when he had to move back to San Diego in 6th grade.
"He took a cardboard and used it on his wrist... the thought 'I'm better off dead' occurred to him." - Quote
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Dr. Gur: "To act upon it, even superficial, and not talk to anyone about it is alarming." - Quote
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I agree he has some kind of mental illness, but I truly hope that he is never not even after 30, 40, or 50 years is out roaming around. Seeing John Hickley out and about is scary.
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Dr. Gur said the gunman had intrusive, 'not welcome' thoughts that were experienced as a command - such as "Kill yourself." As his anxiety got worse, the commands became focused on killing others.
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Yes, well, he tried to commit suicide with cardboard. He didn't try to cut his wrists with the actual tool he used to make his cardboard knife.
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So, if you have children....don't move??? How do military children cope?
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What kid going thru Puberty, had never considered suicide? This is Horse Hockey to the 9th degree.
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Dr. Gur: "He needed to be biologically perfect. Having glasses before he moved to San Diego back (sic), was a sign of biological weakness." - Quote
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Dr. Gur: "When his anxiety was growing and suicidal thought were [going] through his head... this for him was another sign of biological weakness. 'Something is wrong with me.'" - Quote
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Dr. Gur said when it came to walking down the hall at school, "He'd rather be buried in the wall." - Quote
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The gunman had difficulty breathing and got into a "fight or flight" mentality when she asked him to imagine walking down the hall in school, Dr. Gur said.
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I am wondering if his parents seeks help for him - did anybody say? (Sorry, I was on break) -
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Boy, that description of social anxiety as a teenager doesn't seem to me to be that much different than what many of us experienced. I can remember wishing that I could be invisible (or fade into a wall) during high school--and I didn't move around. I knew these kids but many of them were not nice people. I wonder if he was bullied and if that is going to come into this soon.
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What is the difference between having and anxiety attack and what Dr. Gur is describing now? And aren't children fearless when it comes to being social? It wasn't until I was an adult that I became socially aware and shy around people I didn't know. -
Dr. Gur said every time she saw him he got more comfortable and open - until she asked him about what it was like for him at school. She describes his fear as much more intense than she would expect from a normal teenager.
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I think permitting these slides is doing more harm than good. Anyone else?
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So is she trying to say that it was special with her and he only showed her how he REALLY felt?
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there were mornings that I'd be in my bathroom throwing up absolutely terrified of going to school or days when I'd make it out of the house but then not drive to school. The worst were when I could make it to the parking lot but not able to get myself to go inside. I think thats the difference between me (and what she is explaining) and people who just don't like to go or are a little shy. The thing is, I was pretty and popular so there was no reason for me to be reacting like that, except for that thats what how and what my brain does.
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Does JH ever interact with HIS attorneys?
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Could we have a legal expert explain these case citings and what they mean? (360 NE 2nd, 316 Pacific something, something, something.) What is that stuff?
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I just got back to my desk. What is going on right now? Is the doc finished already?
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Legal question here. . . Once everything is said and done, is DT or PT allowed to ask the jury how they arrived at their decision? If they can, more specifically, can they ask which doctor(s) testimony influenced their decision? So did they use Dr Gur's testimony and not Dr Woodcock's and then the Defense could then decide, for future cases, to not use Woodcock again. ???
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Such a huge difference between Holmes and Jared Loughner (one of Gur's previous subjects). Loughner's dangerous psychotic behavior was overt and publicly displayed long before he killed. Holmes' mental illness clearly didn't prevent him from realizing what he was doing was wrong, legally and morally.
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Judge Samour is not going to allow information about the gunman's mother having gestational diabetes, being lodged in the birth canal and being delivered by C-section.
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OK so I'm confused about what is in and what is out.
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Am I mistaken or is the "he'd rather be buried in the wall" hearsay? Seems awfully close to it. Sorry all, a little behind.
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So the defense sought out the Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity very early on...then contacted this dr in Nov. of 2012 which just so happens to be when Holmes goes to Denver Health for a psychotic break....convenient. -
Does anyone know if JH regularly wrote in a notebook/diary prior to the famous "mailed manifesto"? Perhaps I am looking too deeply into this but I find it odd behavior for someone to suddenly start keeping a journal unless directed to do so by a shrink. Coincidental that he created this manifesto and included specific information/statements/"thoughts" that would one day be revealed? Did he ever mention said notebook to any of the doctors that he was seeing, how about Gargi, did she know about it or see it before? He doesn't strike me as a notebook/diary kind of guy.....
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Dr. Gur: "I repeatedly asked him why he did not kill himself. He considered it, but could not do it." - Quote
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At age 14 he stated he was afraid of people, of being a failure, of not attaining the goals he set up for himself and of not advancing understanding of science, said Dr. Gur.
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Dr. Gur said the gunman said he was afraid of her and what she might do to him.
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This is the most movement I've seen out of Holmes the entire trial.
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