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Aurora movie theater shooting day 44: Schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur returns to the stand
Day 44 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur will continue to testify.During the course of the trial, prosecutors will argue that Holmes, the admitted gunman, was sane when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70. His defense attorneys will try to spare Holmes’ life by arguing that he was insane. 7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com will have gavel to gavel coverage of the trial starting at 8:15 a.m. (MST) everyday and ending around 5:30 p.m. (MST) Watch new live video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/7NewsDenv... Additional resources:LIVE VIDEO & BLOG: http://bit.ly/theatertrialTIMELINE of the case: http://bit.ly/theatertimelineJURY PROFILE: http://bit.ly/theaterjury CONTINUING COVERAGE: http://bit.ly/theatercoverage
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I respect that she is so well educated but at this point she is striking me as someone who is in search of the loch ness monster will actually see it even if it doesn't exist -
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Dr. Gur said the gunman felt he was putting people out of their misery. She asked if he thought other people felt that way and said other people enjoy life. He seemed surprised. -
Dr. Gur said she believes there would not have been a shooting if the gunman did not have his mental illness.
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The gunman did not seem grandiose or self-important "at all," Dr. Gur said.
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Dr. Gur: "The motivation for the shooting was to increase his self worth." - Quote
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Colorado Statutes: Insanity Defense:
16-8-101.5. Insanity defined - offenses committed on and after July 1, 1995
(1) The applicable test of insanity shall be:
(a) A person who is so diseased or defective in mind at the time of the commission of the act as to be incapable of distinguishing right from wrong with respect to that act is not accountable; except that care should be taken not to confuse such mental disease or defect with moral obliquity, mental depravity, or passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred, or other motives and kindred evil conditions, for, when the act is induced by any of these causes, the person is accountable to the law; or
(b) A person who suffered from a condition of mind caused by mental disease or defect that prevented the person from forming a culpable mental state that is an essential element of a crime charged, but care should be taken not to confuse such mental disease or defect with moral obliquity, mental depravity, or passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred, or other motives and kindred evil conditions because, when the act is induced by any of these causes, the person is accountable to the law.
(2) As used in subsection (1) of this section:
(a) "Diseased or defective in mind" does not refer to an abnormality manifested only by repeated criminal or otherwise antisocial conduct.
(b) "Mental disease or defect" includes only those severely abnormal mental conditions that grossly and demonstrably impair a person's perception or understanding of reality and that are not attributable to the voluntary ingestion of alcohol or any other psychoactive substance but does not include an abnormality manifested only by repeated criminal or otherwise antisocial conduct.
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oh the notes were destroyed, and that is why they were not provided? REALLY? Dr Gur
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He did not act out of anger?!?!?! He hated people and wanted them dead (he admitted that despite what she says)...that seems pretty angry to me...she says he formed the intent, she admits he deliberated...all she needs to say now is that he knew right from wrong and it's game set match...
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King needs to eat a giant bowl full of rocky mountain oysters to go with the rest of the Bull he's asking the jury to take in.
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O.K. She can't have it both ways. We all understand that having a mental illness does *not* indicate immediate insanity. YET! She seems to be indicating that JH has a mental illness to such a degree that he must automatically be considered not guilty by reason of insanit
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Ohhh....AC knows his time is about to come. He is sitting straight up and his movements are much quicker. Keeps looking at watch. Like when someone is holding a police dog when it has already seen the perp! -
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I think the most telling thing Dr. Gur has said is that people deny schizophrenia because of the stigma attached to this particular mental illness. It may not speak to legal insanity, but it does speak to her research on the subject.
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She is the only one who has said anything about him hearing voices or looking for visual hallucinations. -
I think the "world is coming to an end" after a bad
day at work. But, I'm not crazy. -
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If this witness, is the best the defense has....get the needle and gurney ready.
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hard to listen to her go on and on....does anyone know why there was a really
long side bar last week before they broke for the weekend? It was an attorney on the DT and said something about it being "awkward"....i'm so curious... -
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Has anyone asked if JH is currently being treated for Schizophrenia? Does he still have symptoms? Or is he cured? Perhaps it has morphed into another mental illness? (Sarcasm there)
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the jury questions later on this one should be interesting
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She's grasping at straws now with this testimony...I'm sorry but he was smart enough to play her knowing she was on his side!
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Dr. Gur is an activist for anyone who appears mentally ill. This theater shooting is NOT personal to Dr. Gur. I'm sure her attitude would change quickly if she was in that theater or her family.
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my goodness--this is just painful. Dr. Gur is making herself look naive rather than Holmes look insane.
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I think Gur likes the spotlight... Only taking high profile cases IMO
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As we near closing arguments, I'd be interested in seeing a poll of how long people think the jury will deliberate before coming back with a verdict.
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Is it possible to know right from wrong, yet be compelled by a mental illness to carry out the mission? To be unable to stop the mission, yet know it is wrong?
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Her "lecture" about her speciality showed her great knowledge. However, now she is reminding me of a certain witness in the Arias trial (La Violette) who took the diagnosis of battered wife syndrome and PTSD and then fit every single thing Arias did and said into that category -
Dr. Gur should be a screenwriter....she is very good at describing her many fantasies about Holmes' inner thoughts.
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I can't wait to see Brauchler to get ahold of her testimony!!!
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Spengler looks like she's biting her nails....understandable.
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all of this is irrelevant to this trial. sorry (not sorry), but all of the talk about the psychosis in the prison-- yeah we get it, he was psycho after being in prison, by himself for months. if anything, he was mentally ill at the time of the crime, but not insane. they are just playing the jury's sympathy to spare his life.
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Does anyone have a timeline of when the various doctors saw the shooter? I'm curious as to whether his behavior gets more "dramatic" as time went on.
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I think I'm in the minority here, but I find her to be a very strong, credible witness for the defense. I'm trying to keep the 'open mindedness' jurors are supposed to have.
