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Aurora movie theater shooting day 44: Schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur returns to the stand
Day 44 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, schizophrenia expert Dr. Raquel Gur will continue to testify.During the course of the trial, prosecutors will argue that Holmes, the admitted gunman, was sane when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70. His defense attorneys will try to spare Holmes’ life by arguing that he was insane. 7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com will have gavel to gavel coverage of the trial starting at 8:15 a.m. (MST) everyday and ending around 5:30 p.m. (MST) Watch new live video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/7NewsDenv... Additional resources:LIVE VIDEO & BLOG: http://bit.ly/theatertrialTIMELINE of the case: http://bit.ly/theatertimelineJURY PROFILE: http://bit.ly/theaterjury CONTINUING COVERAGE: http://bit.ly/theatercoverage
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A search of "schizophrenia" in PubMed calls up 115,315 papers, dating as far back as 1921. Dr. Gur is no doubt a respected researcher, but she is a legend in her own mind--she implies that she is a pioneer on the edge of a totally new frontier. Well, no. She is one of many, many, many psychiatrists trying to grapple with a difficult disease. -
I cant get over the fact that--this is being discussed. I mean anyone who kills someone for whatever reason has lost some sense of reality. Yes, JH is mentally ill, But he knew what he was doing when he did it, There needs to be a punishment equal to the crime. In my opinion--he deserves the death penalty.
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I am anticipating that this witness will erupt during Brauchler's cross at some point because she won't be able to handle his cross examination style.
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I kept jumping up and down during her testimony and asking "Can I buy a vowel?" -
IMO By Gur stretching the truth on Holmes, she is doing more damage to people who really do need help...sad deal!
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I don't think he would have gone through with the shooting if an armed officer was there...he inspected the theater shortly before the shooting. He didn't try to get away because he believed the sirens were heading to his apartment and not the theater. He'd only gone back out to his car to get another gun after the one before that had jammed, which he'd not planned on happening. -
So many things JH told Her don't match what He told other Docs so in MY opinion JH is a liar. Remember He also lied to Dr Fenton when He was asked if He had any homicidal plans and He had already started buying weapons and gear.
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Dr. Gur is certainly not the only person working in the field, but few are both a neurologist and a psychiatrist, a good pairing. As well she is a pioneer in the field of schizophrenia and I doubt you will find anyone in the field who doesn't hold her in the highest regard for advancing the understanding and treatment. Freud failed in this.. Jung was the softer side of medicine.
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I have personally dealt with a schizophrenic relative who tried to control/avoid the delusions through alcohol. Sometimes during a break he would become violent. At those times when he was having a real break and talked about killing someone there was no doubt whatsoever that he was in the throes of a mental break. It was very visible and VERY obvious that he was not able to control himself. He didn't truly want to hurt anyone and absolutely did not ever create one tiny bit of a plan to hurt others as a way to escape his illness. Yes all people have difference to their mental illnesses, but I have yet to see or hear one piece of compelling evidence that JH was having a mental break when he massacred those innocent people. Schizophrenics just don't plan out detailed massacres, they make uncontrolled and impulsive reactions to the torment in their head.
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Insanity is based on society's standards of morality, not Gur's.
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The gradiousity is where she contradicts herself. Because then she turns around and talks about his idea of human capital. TO INCREASE HIS SELF WORTH! -
Is it just me, or does King sound sarcastic when he says "Fascinating Slides".....?
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seems like you are saying society's standards of mortality are base revenge? early biblical eye for eye rather than Jesus biblical turn the other cheek? usually stay away from religion for its contradictions.
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I was hoping she would have given the golden testimony that Mr. King was looking for. I sooo wanted to see him do the truffle shuffle... -
Guess what, JH. Your life is already over. Death penalty or not. Not only did you take lives out with your own hands, you've essentially taken your own.
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Dr. Gur says she believes the gunman's anxiety, depression and delusions became more intense when he returned to school in January 2012. -
Dr. Gur reviewed Google chat between the gunman and Gargi Datta on March 2012, where he described homicidal thoughts.
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Dr. Gur on Google chat between the gunman and Gargi Datta: "I believe it shows evidence of his psychotic process." - Quote
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Dr. Gur: "Telling it to Gargi was the next step because it had to be done. Once it's verbalized, it has to be done."
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Dr. Gur: "It is a psychotic process. Healthy people don't think this way... a totally irrational way of thinking." - Quote
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Dr. Gur: "I don't have words... it is so tragic, the results." - Quote
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Time to get this over for the day, This is nothing but rehash after rehash, with shredded cheese to follow.
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Dr. Gur looks like she's close to pulling a Kruschev...pounding her shoe on the table.
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It's obvious that the system failed Mr. Holmes, and therefore led to this incident.
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Dr Gur is truly fascinating to listen to. Good going doc! we could all learn a lot.
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People that are insane don't plan for months their mission.
They snap and do something then. -
15 more minutes for me folks, then an hour drive home. So I'll see everyone tomorrow morning.
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Think this is all a load trying to justify a person who wanted to kill others
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OK, so this makes no sense to to me. If its not his brain, why are we looking at it?
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Anica - a poll question should be will King finish before 5pm.
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Dr Gur: "As long as the thoughts were in his head, they were just thoughts that he could work on controlling, but once you say something you have to pursue and do it.
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Dr. Gur is suffering from jet lag. 2 hour difference, so when court begins at 8:40 that is 6:40 her time in PA.
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O.K. We are back to blaming Dr. Feinstein and Dr. Roth for not forcing him into the hospiital? Gimme a break. *sigh*
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This Blog is awesome. There are so many opinions and views from all over the spectrum which makes this faciinating. I wish we had an insider who can describe the jurys actions-facial expressions and habits and then have a body language expert gve us some insight s to what they may be thinking.
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King needs to be better prepared. He should have been practicing for months before direct examination of Dr. Gur.
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Im trying to buy her ideas...but i think about Bundy and other murderers...their compulsions/impulses to murder arent all related to psychotic thinking...and even if he does have mental illness i dont believe he was controlled by any command hallucination as none have been clearly identified...only impulses and compulsion to kill people.
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King is actually doing a pretty nice job with her right now (whether you agree with her opinion or not). It's at least a semi-coherent presentation of their version of events.
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