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Aurora movie theater shooting trial day 45: Cross-examination of schizophrenia expert continues
Day 2 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, prosecutors open their case calling witnesses _____? During the course of the trial, prosecutors will argue that Holmes, the admitted gunman, was sane when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70. His defense attorneys will try to spare Holmes’ life by arguing that he was insane. 7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com will have gavel to gavel coverage of the trial starting at 8:15 a.m. (MST) everyday and ending around 5:30 p.m. (MST) Watch new live video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/7NewsDenver/live Additional resources:LIVE VIDEO & BLOG: http://bit.ly/theatertrialTIMELINE of the case: http://bit.ly/theatertimelineJURY PROFILE: http://bit.ly/theaterjury CONTINUING COVERAGE: http://bit.ly/theatercoverage
Not sure if intentional, but a great way to frustrate DA during cross is to make him cite page numbers for every reference question, especially if he has let on that he doesn't have them page numbers at hand and apologizes every time he has to admit it.
by Hoddy7/8/2015 8:30:59 PM
talk about pulling teeth....gad, this witness wants to answer her own questions, not Mr. Brauchler's.
by flip7/8/2015 8:31:04 PM
Hired Liar..... This is getting really stupid now, Move to Discredit this witness.
by NT87/8/2015 8:31:12 PM
The Nov. 2012 video of the gunman at Denver Health will not be admitted..... that's a Big thing I feel~ what reason did the Judge say its not being allowed...sorry I was at lunch :)
by LG7/8/2015 8:31:16 PM
my brother I think has schizophrenia, hears voices, and lies and makes up stories, and he actually believes his stories, and they are quite elaborate, and he is highly intelligent, but has not yet killed anyone. He has threatened me, but not killed anyone. He also believes the government is coming to get him! However, he is not insane, takes his meds, lives among the rest of us, refuses to work, even though he is a college graduate! But he is not considered to be INSANE, he is mentally ill however, and as long as he takes his meds he does fairly well, is high functioning.
by tim7/8/2015 8:31:32 PM
5W, if suspect if she changed her opinion, you would be correct. The courtroom would erupt.
by BernerMom7/8/2015 8:31:36 PM
@TLR, I agree, she thinks she knows "everything" there is to know about this condition, and no one in her circle questions her opinions or her "orders" therefore, who does this Brachler guy think he is questioning my opinions!? What a sham, and she has a Ph.D. and cannot write, how can that be, doesn't she have a freaking secretary to write up stuff for her, a transcriptionist? Seriously, this is a bunch of garbage, it is obvious the defense told her what they wanted her to say and write, this is unethical and that is what Brauchler is attempting to show, she omits things, she makes up things, she puts words in the shooters mouth, she concludes things that she thinks he is saying from what little he does tell her! What a joke.
by tim7/8/2015 8:31:47 PM
I'm just back -- is Brauchler still focused on what is (and is not) in the report?
by Rob7/8/2015 8:31:54 PM
At this point, they should just get Orman in there to wrap this up. I really like AC; however, I think he's giving her way too much le way.
by Nadine7/8/2015 8:31:58 PM
by Joey7/8/2015 8:32:00 PM
by Tired7/8/2015 8:32:01 PM
His actions say he knew the difference between right and wrong.
by wp7/8/2015 8:32:04 PM
Orman cleaning is nails.....
by Tired7/8/2015 8:32:13 PM
by Tammy Garrison7/8/2015 8:32:24 PM
@FMM - the video is not allowed.
by BernerMom7/8/2015 8:32:27 PM
So interesting that JH only confided certain things to Dr Gur... And she seems to do a lot of interpretations to align with her research and publications. (Makes me think her motivation for getting involved is to add another high profile case to her body of work.)
by Edy7/8/2015 8:39:09 PM
Anyone think at the end of the day the PT goes back to their office and high-5's each other?
by Victoria7/8/2015 8:39:11 PM
I don't think Brauchler is taking her down but perhaps chipping slowly here and there. She is an expert in her field but I find it disappointing that when you are the lead witness for the DT (in a DP case no less) that your report is this incomplete and open to interpretation
by Just Thinkin7/8/2015 8:39:18 PM
Hard to decide whether she made up this stuff or if JH was testing out his "stories" on her (and for the record, no I don't think he ever saw shadows - I think this is garbage)
by NH7/8/2015 8:39:37 PM
Hmmm...I love reading how you guys interpret the trial...
by Kelly Svee7/8/2015 8:39:39 PM
Ok, in that sense of the "shadows catching him if he jumped off the bed", jumping off the bed is not so illogical or "staged" . IMO
by Mr.D. 7/8/2015 8:39:46 PM
All of this sounds eerily familiar.............
by BernerMom7/8/2015 8:39:47 PM
Legal question. I notice a new "buzz" word. Instead of the attorney stating, "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH", is that correct? Now, the new buzzword seems to be "Is that fair"? I think they mean two different things. Please educate me.
by Nadine7/8/2015 8:39:54 PM
No matter how much Mr Brauchler questions this witness, I still feel reasonable doubt as to JH's being sane at the time of the crime. I just don't think the prosecution has a slam dunk in proving him sane. And I believe their burden is to prove him sane.
by Alison7/8/2015 8:39:59 PM
I can't belive with such a high profile case that we waste taxpayers money on such incompetent people like Dr. Gur. someone buy her a note pad for crying out loud. My hats off to Brauchler who seems to know her notes better than her.
by email@example.com/8/2015 8:40:04 PM
by anica.padilla7/8/2015 8:40:19 PM
Dr. Gur: "He realizes other people will think [his actions are] crazy, but he still holds onto his belief."
by anica.padilla7/8/2015 8:41:19 PM
@5W 00 okay. understood, but I still believe the more compelling way to undermine her is to go to substance. I assume the state disagrees with the substance and just wish we could hear their rebuttal points through this cross.
by Rob7/8/2015 8:43:44 PM
Wait... She 'went over the report' with JH? Umm. I don't know of any psych that does that. I believe they would look at that as unethical and, in a way, asking for their approval of the report. Geez, Louise!
by DocJ7/8/2015 8:43:54 PM
Seems to me, these two are incompatible. B. is one point linear and G. is organic and whole. Objective of each is so different. One to kill. One to save. It is a difficult match. Neither seems to have researched where JH got his ideas of capital, which exists in many isolated tribes of the world, even as colonization has forced these ideas to often go underground for fear of their own death from the colonizers.
by okx7/8/2015 8:44:05 PM
Based on her note taking and report writing, I can't see how she can render a diagnosis or any kind of opinion!!!!!
by mld7/8/2015 8:44:10 PM
@NH--I think she is very used to projecting her own values and interpretations on patients' words, and she doesn't easily distinguish between what she "thinks" they might have said versus what she has "quoted" them as saying.
by flip7/8/2015 8:44:17 PM
IMO Dr. Gur will write more detailed reports in the future, fair to say?
by Kristle7/8/2015 8:44:20 PM
Boy she makes it up as she goes along.
by Tammy Garrison7/8/2015 8:44:23 PM
Her report is full of holes, therefore her opinion must follow suite.
by kdsmith7/8/2015 8:44:25 PM
It seems as though the judge is beginning to over rule, before the DT even finishes saying "objection"!
by LK7/8/2015 8:44:35 PM
Maybe the DT is asking the judge if they can remove Dr. Gur as a witness :)
by mld7/8/2015 8:44:55 PM
I think the jury will get a copy of he rreport and discredit it on its own merit. I dont think AC needs to hammer this home.
by Tired7/8/2015 8:45:02 PM
let me tell you what i think he is saying, not what he really said
by mom7/8/2015 8:45:06 PM
Rob, her report is her substance and I'm afraid, trying to go after anything else she might say today would be like nailing jello to the wall.
by Tammy Garrison7/8/2015 8:45:08 PM
by flip7/8/2015 8:58:46 PM
Her report is a sham....
by Mandi7/8/2015 8:58:48 PM
It seems King's defense strategy is distraction by objection.
by JW7/8/2015 8:58:50 PM
I can't believe she left so much out of her report.
by Abrandt7/8/2015 8:59:55 PM
Gur will not be agreeing to do any court assessments anytime soon. this is painful