Aurora movie theater shooting trial day 45: Cross-examination of schizophrenia expert continues

Day 2 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, prosecutors open their case calling witnesses _____? During the course of the trial, prosecutors will argue that Holmes, the admitted gunman, was sane when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70. His defense attorneys will try to spare Holmes’ life by arguing that he was insane. 7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com will have gavel to gavel coverage of the trial starting at 8:15 a.m. (MST) everyday and ending around 5:30 p.m. (MST) Watch new live video on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/7NewsDenver/live Additional resources:LIVE VIDEO & BLOG: http://bit.ly/theatertrialTIMELINE of the case: http://bit.ly/theatertimelineJURY PROFILE: http://bit.ly/theaterjury CONTINUING COVERAGE: http://bit.ly/theatercoverage

3rd & 7 37yd

@Angela Oh we saw it...

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:05:24 PM
Dr Resnik first name, anyone?

by mom 7/8/2015 5:05:55 PM
@mom - Dr. Phillip Resnick

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:06:06 PM
"I am not understanding at all how this doctor decided what to put in her report. She was hired by the defense so you would think the report would be complete so they would have all the information they could possibly need- unless things were left out that were not defense friendly?"

Either the defense specifically told her to tailor her report OR she had to cover for information she was not provided OR she is a clinician and not forensic psychiatrist and simply was not familiar with the extent to which her opinions would be called into question

by PA Watcher 7/8/2015 5:06:17 PM
These don't seem like minor details one might leave out of an important report like this.

by Angela Freeman 7/8/2015 5:06:18 PM
jward, more importantly, the LAWYER for the school district told us that if it wasn't in black and white, from a legal perspective, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!

by Tammy Garrison 7/8/2015 5:06:24 PM
@Jward - while we are on break...thought I'd ask how things were going with the Baby and all?

by Tired 7/8/2015 5:06:28 PM
Dr. Gur is broad and deep minded as well as experienced. It is unlikely that another choice would have been so thorough. Remember, no one can reconstruct someone else's life. She is not a machine. Of course, B. is driven according to his principle to get the state a sanctioned killing. He of course, has a more precise method, not in understanding JH condition, but in his style to get things to go his way. To degrade Gur's expert lifetime work is sad, esp. any grammatical errors.

by okx 7/8/2015 5:06:38 PM
Just a comment - I was on a jury earlier this year that had an element of the defendent's mental capability. The defense expert (with impressive credentials) testified to something she had not done in her evaluation. We (to a juror) dismissed her testimony - HOWEVER we did not dismiss defense's position and instead reviewed word for word what she had not and extensively discussed how mental capability the defense raised impacted his ability to commit the charges crimes. We used the prosecution expert's testimony to support the defense!

by Edy 7/8/2015 5:06:59 PM
Recently, you go to a doctor and they don't or hardly look at you. They are required to be at a computer and type, type, type. Really, she has a ton of info and insight, for her conclusion, even without all of B.'s cross over left outs. So far, his cross doesn't seem to address the core of her opinion.

by okx 7/8/2015 5:07:09 PM
1st Qtr stats: 4 Objections, 1 Override, 3 sustained.

by NT8 7/8/2015 5:07:11 PM
Jury - group of people, who, having lied to the judge about their health, hearing, and business engagements, have failed to fooled him.

by Patty Scabby 7/8/2015 5:07:22 PM
@Suzanne.. I hadn't thought ahead to the jury questions. I bet you are right!

by ms 7/8/2015 5:07:36 PM
I missed the poop video. What day was that on?

by Tammy Garrison 7/8/2015 5:07:42 PM
@Tammy - EXACTLY! LoL

by jward12 7/8/2015 5:07:46 PM
Oh no.. when was the poop video? I missed that!

by Della (Me) 7/8/2015 5:07:48 PM
I think one of the reasons AC is letting her ramble is because of her accent.

by Nadine 7/8/2015 5:07:49 PM
Too bad the defense couldn't get a forensic psychiatrist that could prove LEGAL insantiy. Her clinical diagnosis appears very subjective by comparison

by Ursomonie 7/8/2015 5:08:41 PM
Brauchler question's Dr. Gur about quote from report during her first few visits - "He was very isolated and incapacitated, lying in bed, unable to move."
Brauchler: "What is the evidence that he was 'incapacitated, unable to move?'"
Dr. Gur: "The number of hours that he was spending in bed... was higher relative to what it was before."
"He reported feeling incapacitated... by his inner turmoil, experiences."

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:13:30 PM
Nadine - no way! That's just now a court operates.

by Tammy Garrison 7/8/2015 5:13:36 PM
Remember -- even forensic analyses are subjective. They are an individual rendering an opinion about whether clinical symptoms meet a legal threshold.

by Rob 7/8/2015 5:13:39 PM
@Tired - he's the reason I missed most of yesterday. Had to go to labor and delivery for a few hours because my blood pressure was elevated and they wanted to check on him and me. False alarm, thankfully. =)

by jward12 7/8/2015 5:13:46 PM
Zero tolerance in this chat room for attacking, insulting or making fun of other chatters or their opinions.
State your opinion and leave it at that.

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:14:11 PM
Ursomonie - that's what I wanted to know! Was there just not one available that would declare him legally insane?

by Tammy Garrison 7/8/2015 5:14:15 PM
I'm wondering if some of what is perceived as arrogance on the part of the witness is really just upset at the way this is going. Emotions are complicated. I know fear often presents as anger. Maybe this is just frustration. She comes across as genuine to me, but also seems to be in over her head as a witness.

by ms 7/8/2015 5:14:20 PM
Hi Shuffle, you are correct and it is a problem with a jury system trial of peers. It can fail, esp. when social advancement (like in mental health) has not been brought to their consciousness through other ways than a trial. Failure can cause retardation for changes.
But, its what we have. If like the uni-bomber's, JH's trial was across state lines and federal, the outcome would probably have a more impact.

by okx 7/8/2015 5:14:27 PM
@okx.. you are so right about doctors now. One of my doctors has a laptop on a portable stand that he wheels from room to room, documenting everything. He's a great guy, but has to spend more time looking at the computer than looking at the patient.

by ms 7/8/2015 5:15:45 PM
What happens if jury is hung on DP? @ 7

by Goliath_Fish 7/8/2015 5:15:47 PM
@Goliath - I think if the jury can't agree on the DP then he gets LWOP, but we will ask our legal expert.

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:15:59 PM
Severe depression can cause incapacitation apart from the diagnosis Dr. Gur gave him.

by CindyL 7/8/2015 5:16:02 PM
Dr. Gur says this section of her 2013 report was specifically focused on her direct interviews with the gunman - but her full report included 100,000 pages of additional documentation, as well as the 22-hour interview with Dr. William Reid.

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:19:36 PM
@okc,,,, appreciate your input, thank you

by shuffie 7/8/2015 5:21:05 PM
oh this is painful, even worse than listening to him tear dr woodcock apart

by JG 7/8/2015 5:21:07 PM
A hung jury would mandate a mistrial.

The verdict has to be unanimous.

by Mark 7/8/2015 5:21:09 PM
I suffer from severe bouts of depression and sometimes I dont move off the sofa for days. including sleeping on the sofa

by Aly 7/8/2015 5:21:12 PM
Does undermining her report equate with undermining her opinion? I'm not sure why all the focus on the report? Seems to throw out the baby with the bath water.

by Rob 7/8/2015 5:21:16 PM
- Quote
Brauchler asks Dr. Gur: You had his emails, texts, G chats, the notebook - but never saw the phrase "call for action"?
Brauchler: "Is it possible this phrase has special significance to you... and found its way into your report?"
Dr. Gur: "Unlikely."

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:23:50 PM
- Quote
"Call For Action" is part of the title of a chapter in a book Dr. Gur wrote.
"Totally different!" Gur said.

by anica.padilla 7/8/2015 5:26:15 PM
@Rob - I think it does. If her report can't be trusted because of inaccuracies and lack of thoroughness, her opinion on his sanity lacks foundation and may be given less weight.

by Angela Freeman 7/8/2015 5:26:58 PM
Rob, typical court behavior.

by Tammy Garrison 7/8/2015 5:26:59 PM
She said earlier, 'I reviewed all the evidence that was available to me'...I believe AC could counter that statement with 'You reviewed all the evidence that was provided to you by the Defense". @7Neews: I think this would be a good time for a poll asking which Doc's testimony was most enlightening? (Unless you already have and I just missed it.)

by Stephany 7/8/2015 5:27:07 PM
And the judge has to attempt to control the witness.

by NT8 7/8/2015 5:27:12 PM
This is painful. Maybe she really doesn't understand quotation marks...

by NH 7/8/2015 5:27:13 PM
Why is she being allowed to be so argumentative?

by Angela Freeman 7/8/2015 5:27:15 PM
Was the use of the book chapter title a Perry Mason moment?

by Mr. D 7/8/2015 5:27:36 PM