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Theater shooting trial day 53: Start of the penalty process
Day 53 in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial – People vs. James Eagan Holmes. Today, the penalty phase of the case begins. The jury found Holmes to be legally sane and therefore guilty when he went into the midnight premiere of the Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and opened fire on the audience, killing 12 and wounding 70.
A question for all you with much more knowledge f the law, etc. if the jury agrees on the first aggravating factor, that 2 or more persons were killed, which is a no-brainer to me, can they just leave it at that point? Sure would save a lot of time. Why would they need to continue with all the counts? Does more positive votes on more factors weigh into the penalty phase?
by Suzi7/22/2015 6:07:30 PM
@Me... I don't think I saw anyone but you say Kill....Kill...Kill...
by LG7/22/2015 6:07:39 PM
doc j what about founding fathers and their relations to indigenous people and then later slaves, mentally defected people. didn't they say something about democracy and then didn't apply to anyone other than those who agreed to allow some heinous acts in their name Its a high, slippery slope to get ahold of, let along climb in order to change. This particular trial seems like contemporary subject matterr and is not yet being fully grasped or grappled with in our country. we are used to pain and creating more pain supposedly as a relief through revenge (same as long before our lifetimes)
by oxk7/22/2015 6:07:54 PM
Here in CT, a Democratic Governor took the DP out. But he stipulated the murderers' DP in the awful Petit family case still stands.
by Lori J7/22/2015 6:07:57 PM
I think this is a Death Penalty case only because it is a job creation program for the lawyers, like I said earlier the odds of JH being executed are way up there even if sentenced to death. I do not see the state of Colorado changing a trend that has been going on for some 19 years.
by Humble Pride7/22/2015 6:08:02 PM
>how would like your movie experience >JUST
by shiie7/22/2015 6:08:08 PM
@Happy why are you posting go fund me links in this blog it has nothing to do with this case?
by LG7/22/2015 6:08:16 PM
I don think this will be a hung jury, just as didn't thing the deliberation for guilt would take very long. This "guy" hurt so many people on so many levels that hearing he deserves death...may help...to begin the healing process. IMO
by kdsmith7/22/2015 6:08:22 PM
IMO; The jury (all humans) have their minds already set with punishment. Does the penalty have to be unanimous?
by Resa7/22/2015 6:08:24 PM
I think the changes from King to Brady, and the change from Brauchler to Orman, for this phase of the trial, were interesting and wise strategic decisions by both teams.
by flip7/22/2015 6:08:28 PM
Base on the comments of today, I predict that there will be at least 1 dissenting jury vote. It 's not a matter of having "guts" to vote for DP (saying that really belittles the work of this jury). It has to do with beliefs about mental illness. So ultimately, while the victims and survivors will have their day in court, so will JH. He will have been afforded additional days of notoriety, that he craves, receive the original penalty that he pled, and remain as warped ever-imho.
by Mr.D. 7/22/2015 6:08:33 PM
@kidsmith, agreed. Yet, God also recognizes our innate inability to follow His laws. He is a just and loving God, and understand this. I am sure that, in his eyes, we are all making a mountain out of a molehill. What it boils down to is that we who yell for death, those that impose the law of death, and those that commit the crime of death will, if you believe in the purpose of him sending Jesus, be forgiven and in the end all this is moot. We are human and will never be able to, in our heart of hearts, be able to live up to either Old or New Testament laws.
by DocJ7/22/2015 6:09:37 PM
@ Resa, yes
by Lori J7/22/2015 6:09:39 PM
MrD. -- I'm hopeful there is at least one juror who believes it's morally wrong to execute a mentally ill person. No one disputes he is ill.
by Lynn7/22/2015 6:09:49 PM
@resa. yes, the judge explained that in one of the instructions.
by blue7/22/2015 6:11:55 PM
The death penalty case is only an opportunity for Brauchler to build some political capital.
by Humble Pride7/22/2015 6:11:59 PM
Agree with you flip. Hadn't thought of it before, but having another person on the team get up and speak says, "Its not just me that feel that way."
by Tammy Garrison7/22/2015 6:12:05 PM
Will the judge have the final words for defendant? Or is that optional?
by Will the judge have the...7/22/2015 6:12:09 PM
LG, It is a cop that is involved in this case. He had to leave his wife to come and testify. So therefore I thought that people here would care about him and his family.
by happy7/22/2015 6:12:18 PM
@mr. d. this is only phase one. really right now they're deciding on whether they want to stay in court another day or two or just be done and sentence him to lwop.
by blue7/22/2015 6:12:26 PM
@fascinated--Thank you, friend.
by flip7/22/2015 6:12:29 PM
while you feel sympathy for jh go ahead and fordet Ashley. unreal.
by NT87/22/2015 6:12:33 PM
Will the judge have the final words for defendant? Is that optional?
by NeuroNonsense7/22/2015 6:12:37 PM
Does anyone know how to stop the strolling comments? I'm reading and then it moves down. I find it and start reading it again and it moves again. I just want to ready, so I don't ask questions that have been asked and answered. : (
by Suzanne7/22/2015 6:12:47 PM
Samour said asterisk again. Hehehehe.
by Kels7/22/2015 6:12:50 PM
by Kristle7/22/2015 6:12:52 PM
@Lynn ..He is ill. Not insane but ill.
by NeuroNonsense7/22/2015 6:12:56 PM
@LG what are you talking about? Why would I think that that is how are justice system works, really? Obviously I meant years down after the road IF JH gets the DP. IF brauchler is governor then, as others are also suggesting, he may have a say in his execution. I'm not an idiot nice try though.
by Della (Me)7/22/2015 6:13:09 PM
@LG, I've seen it many times over the past few month in here.
by Me7/22/2015 6:13:13 PM
Mr Orman is leading the sentencing phase so that Brauchler can honestly say I got the conviction the sentence was not my responsibility .
by Humble Pride7/22/2015 6:13:15 PM
Actually its not wrong to kill an ill person. He can't be fixed, he killed a little girl. He deserves death
by Marshall Zelingervia twitter7/22/2015 6:14:36 PM
I have to wonder...with all the "sympathy" for JH I am reading...how those who feel his life should be spared would feel if it was one of their loved ones who were killed or injured by JH...?
by Robin7/22/2015 6:15:38 PM
Only the Lord has the authority to judge life and death.
by Jim Justice7/22/2015 6:15:44 PM
kd when there are pantheons of gods, the symbolism almost always points to the binary oppositions of every single thing in the world. A cycle is created and choice to prolong one's pain is made by personal choice. mrd----me too. Personally, I think he was insane, but there is not a language yet for it. Forensics is of some importance, but is too segregated from how we come to observe this illness, if that is even possible, should it always break away from the norm in many different ways, and certainly not within a concept of fixed time.
by oxk7/22/2015 6:24:59 PM
@ DocJ - I was actually agreeing with your earlier comment. Didn't mean to make you think otherwise. I think we see "eye to eye" on this one. LOL
by kdsmith7/22/2015 6:25:02 PM
humble, i take it you don't like Brauchler
by happy7/22/2015 6:25:05 PM
I bet the judge is probably thirsty (and hungry) now.
by NeuroNonsense7/22/2015 6:25:07 PM
Maybe he wishes to die.
by Heather7/22/2015 6:25:09 PM
@Jim Justice I agree
by Me7/22/2015 6:25:11 PM
What does God or religion have to do with this trial? Look for God in the fiction aisle in the library.
by Observer7/22/2015 6:25:15 PM
Wtf, how much longer is he going to read all of this?
by adsfsdfgfgfghgh7/22/2015 6:25:17 PM
Some of us don't believe in God, therefore these religious arguments of the Lord judging him are irrelevant.
by Heather7/22/2015 6:25:20 PM
So...@Jim Justice...are you saying that JH is the Lord?????
by Robin7/22/2015 6:25:21 PM
@Robin -- my view isn't based on sympathy of any kind. I'm against the death penalty in all cases, but it seems especially wrong to execute a mentally ill person, even if they were not found not guilty by reason of insanity.