Theater shooting trial day 63: Phase 3 closing arguments

Jurors will come face to face with the ultimate question in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial: Should James Holmes be put to death by lethal injection?

3rd & 7 37yd

@Sophia - thanks! Do they go through the same judge or do they get someone different?

by Suzanne 8/6/2015 3:53:10 PM
@Myra I agree

by tjq 8/6/2015 3:53:11 PM
Della, SMH -Agree w/you about no emotion for victims (*except self-satisfaction). He sure lit up a bit when Jimmy videos were shown, at times...

by BluesB 8/6/2015 3:53:16 PM
I love Orman - he is like a bull in a china shop!

by Sophia 8/6/2015 3:53:21 PM
THANK YOU ORMAN!

by Kels 8/6/2015 3:53:22 PM
I love Orman's passion

by Victoria 8/6/2015 3:53:23 PM
Nelson argues the prosecution shouldnt be allowed to invoke the traps at this point, because they decided to split that into a separate (non-murder) charge

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 3:54:25 PM
Orman rocks. He's been underrated, I think. I heart him/his ability to argue/reason with logic & passion.

by BluesB 8/6/2015 3:54:27 PM
I think Brauchler is annoyed that they are trying to push Veronica under the rug.

by Marsha Laurienti 8/6/2015 3:54:33 PM
@emma - the DT says he is heavily medicated because it fits their defense theory. The doctors very clearly said he was not heavily medicated. He is on a mild dosage level of the drugs he takes. The DT wants us all to think the meds are the reason he is an emotionless stone.

by SMH 8/6/2015 3:54:39 PM
@Phil -- thanks. wasn't sure if for some reason split if LWOP would be a default for all

by mandi 8/6/2015 3:54:40 PM
Orman gets feisty. I love it.

by colo 8/6/2015 3:54:41 PM
Doesn't matter if she is 6 or 66 although she is a child and was murdered

by tjq 8/6/2015 3:56:01 PM
@phil wasn't Veronica shot 4 times? Is it acceptable to mention that??

by Tia 8/6/2015 3:56:03 PM
Nelson argues there is a double jeopardy bar preventing the prosecution from including Veronica's age in her arguments (Major paraphrase there, much more complex than that, but I think that's the summation)

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 3:56:50 PM
He will have access to state paid appellate lawyers, either through public defenders office or through pro bono process.

by Sophia 8/6/2015 3:56:56 PM
Caught up on the discussions after the departure of the jury last night - once again, listened as the Curtis advisement was given and once again listened to JH's response. Just couldn't help but be irritated that he doesn't even show enough respect to the court by saying "Yes SIR" or No SIR". Just "Yes" "No". Did this bug anyone else? I know I shouldn't have expected anything more from him, but you would think his team would advise him that it is just common courtesy to show respect when addressing the judge.

by Tami in GA 8/6/2015 3:57:04 PM
if JH gets DP, why does court continue to sentence him for all other crimes he did?

by Sun David 8/6/2015 3:57:06 PM
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Nelson: "Obviously VMS was a child and was killed in this tragic event and that fact, that is not in dispute, but our position is thats different from allowing them to affirmatively argue that as a non statutory aggravating circumstance"

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 3:58:16 PM
I like Nelson. She seems to do her legwork. Unfortunate she has been assigned to work with Jimmy

by cheese and rice 8/6/2015 3:58:18 PM
I think it is sad that the defense is arguing that People cannot discuss that Veronica was a child at the time of her death.

by Michelle Fletcher Carder 8/6/2015 3:59:48 PM
@ Tami in GA. I dont think JH has any respect for himself. So he sure isnt going to show any to the judge or anyone else for that matter. But I agree with you. He is a low life form.

by Tired 8/6/2015 3:59:56 PM
LOL nelson cracks me up, shes always referencing the constitutions and laws... shes kinda badass in that way.

by Tara 8/6/2015 3:59:59 PM
How is that double jeopardy??

by Suzanne 8/6/2015 4:00:00 PM
@Sun David he is charged and would be given the DP for every count. Or is that right Phil?

by tjq 8/6/2015 4:00:44 PM
@tjq: I don't think I understand your question, ask again?

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:00:56 PM
I'm back with the feeling/ dynamic that Nelson is a teen who wants the car to take to go out tonight. Judge is her dad, saying "no". She tries again & again...'Double jeopardy??? Give me a break -that is ridiculous. Judge slash dad is saying, "no car, no way, ...get over it." 'Just the feel of their dynamic: his patience, her rephrasing repeatedly, etc.

by BluesB 8/6/2015 4:01:02 PM
GO Judge S.- so great that he could come back with CO Supreme Court law.

by Mr.D. 8/6/2015 4:01:52 PM
@BlueB - you are good at putting words to what I think!!

by Suzanne 8/6/2015 4:02:18 PM
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Judge says "They can consider her death as part of the victim impact evidence"

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:02:37 PM
@ Sun David said, "if JH gets DP, why does court continue to sentence him for all other crimes he did?" If on appeal his DP goes away for some reason, sentencing him for all the other counts will keep him behind bars for a very long time.

by tg_kendall 8/6/2015 4:02:49 PM
@tg_kendall: Ah, that is correct. But it is also a simple formality that each crime requires a sentence under the law. The process can't just be skipped.

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:03:17 PM
will this defeence team do the appeals if JH gets the death penalty

by Aly 8/6/2015 4:03:46 PM
@Aly: Too early to know

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:03:50 PM
Judge sides with the people on the objection re slides

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:04:29 PM
I love this judge!! I wish we could go back and count how many times someone has chatted this over the last 63 days!

by Michelle Schack 8/6/2015 4:04:39 PM
All the time spent here by counsels and the judge will be time saved during the appeal's process.

by Humble Pride 8/6/2015 4:04:44 PM
@Phil If they cant mention that she was 6 can they mention that she was shot 4 times? I mean by looking at her picture she is very young. I think shooting someone 4 times was intentional..sorry if I missed your response prior

by Tia 8/6/2015 4:04:47 PM
@Tia: Judge sided with the people and so they can talk about her age

by Phil Tenser 8/6/2015 4:05:01 PM
Yes- Go Judge!!!

by TLR 8/6/2015 4:05:04 PM
@Phil & tg: thank you for the explanation

by Sun David 8/6/2015 4:05:10 PM
Suzanne, this judge is at trial court level (for now, can't imagine he won't be promoted at some point). Appeals are at different levels, the appellate and Supreme Court levels within both state courts and federal courts. The whole appellate process is really reviewing the work of the judge and the decisions he made, so can't be done by the trial judge. The appeals process is also used to modify or make clear what the law is for future cases. That's why the lawyers keep referring to other past cases - all that info comes from other appeals of other cases.

by Sophia 8/6/2015 4:05:34 PM
Judge Samour is a legal genius. Has all this info, facts, and case law right there in his head to pull out! It's so impressive.

by MyraJ 8/6/2015 4:05:38 PM
@Phil thanks!

by Tia 8/6/2015 4:05:39 PM
Great ruling!

by Michelle Fletcher Carder 8/6/2015 4:05:40 PM